The year 2012

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The Mayan calendar which has gone on for thousands of years abruptly coes to an end in the year 2012 (December).

Anything foreboding about this? The bible says that in the end times two thirds of the earths people will not survive.

Atomic war, disease, natural disasters? I don't know. Anybody got any answers?

-- TC (Treadmill234@south.com), March 03, 2005

Answers

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-- TC (Treadmill234@south.com), March 03, 2005.

Oh my gosh..

You know, Elpidio had a dream that Bush sr would die or should have already, but he also mentioned Bush jr.. later this year, summertime i think.

Ive been hearing stuff about Bush being the anti christ, i dont know about that... kind of thing but... 2012 is 7 years away.. is there a pattern in the tribulation.. 7 years, after the "anti christ" or the.. evil leader thats dedicated to.. evil.. dies but still lives..? could it be..?

Plus he's in the process of the so-called world peace

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 03, 2005.


The Mayans were a primitive people who couldn't count past 2012 :-)

Let's not take our source of truth from people who practiced an incredibly brutal form of pagan worship and human sacrifice.

The world will end when God says it will. If Jesus refused to predict that date, it takes quite an arrogant fool to step in where He chose not to tread.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 03, 2005.


To b fair and Honest, it was the Aztecs, not the Mayans, that practied Human Sacrifice...

As tot he Mayan calander, tis les sominaous than it seems. Their calender cycle was muhc linger and more compelxe than ours.

The old cycle ends on december 12th, 2012, to us... btu this is the equivolent in our terms of a single year comign to an end...

the new one starts in 2013, and a new cycle will follow that after its completion...

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 03, 2005.


I think that if we consider that it is predicted that there would be 6,000 years of human history--and then the 1,000 year reign of Christ- [seven thousand years total-7 being the number of rest]-which is established after Armageddon--we have to be close.

There were 4,000 years of Old Testament History and there has been 2,000 years since Christ. Considering the difference in calculations and the fact that Calendars used to go by Lunar orbits instead of the sun....2012 could be it. Then again, we can not know the exact hour or day....can we?

-- (faith01@myway.com), March 03, 2005.



Maybe that's when the Mayan empire will collapse... or not.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), March 03, 2005.


TC

Have you been listening to "Coast to Coast" again???

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), March 03, 2005.


Just for 15 minutes.

-- TC (Treadmill234@south.com), March 03, 2005.

That's not true, Zarove. The Mayans did practice human sacrifice. There was an article out not long ago (New Scientist? mag) which disputed the human sacrifice elements based on some archeological evidence, but all experts agree that the article's conclusions were wrong and the evidence for human sacrifice being a major part of their culture is overwhelming, including their own artwork which depicts humans being sacrificed. They were also always at war with other cultures around them, one of the principal reasons for their downfall.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 04, 2005.


Maybe the best way to insure that things don't end in 2012 is to contact your bank and tell them that you want your House, cars, businesses or whatever put onto a deferred balloon loan, payable on January 1, 2013.

This way you will have several years of surplus cash to have fun with, and come late 2012 I bet you will begin praying that everything does come to an end before 12-31-12.

Something tells me that by the end of 2012 God would be hearing alot more people Praying to him.

-- Michael G. (NoEmail@Nowhere.no), March 05, 2005.



I will make it at least to 80, TC and Temple.

So I don't expect the antichrist during my lifetime.

Bush the antichrist? Nah!!!

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 05, 2005.


(whew) Thats good to know, Elpidio.

Ive been told by several people that my life would be cut short by reading my palm - the line that represents my life stops halfway. (roll eyes) For a while i believed them, i was only a kid then. But now ill be happy if i die. Why?

2 Cor 5:6 - So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

Aw, that is so sweet to the soul.

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 05, 2005.


But im only concerned with how.. I wouldnt wana be drowned or burned. Imagine being drowned.. giving up the last breath, the feeling of suffocating and then you finally let go. Those are the 2 i dread.

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 05, 2005.

The world will end when God says it will. If Jesus refused to predict that date, it takes quite an arrogant fool to step in where He chose not to tread. -David

I dont think Jesus refused.. I think He said only the Father knows the hour. -yup- Matt 24:35

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 05, 2005.


That's true, Temple.

Good thing the end is not during my generation, or my young son's generation. Rod knows who I am talking about.

When I die I want them to preserve my body. I don't want people to think of me the way they do of Jesus, Elvis, Tupac,...

I want people to know I am dead in the body. But I know I will be alive in the Spirit. That is why I don't my body buried or burned.

We know where Abraham , Isaac, Jacob, Joseph,...are, but we don't know where exactly David, Jesus, samuel, Moses, Paul,...are buried.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 05, 2005.



Temple,

What I was referring to was the fact that many people who don't have a clue, never-the-less, foolishly predict when the end will, or in Elpidio's case, will not, occur. And Jesus, who did not know when he was asked, said so, rather than succomb to pressure to make a prediction. I used the word "refused" as a way of contrasting Jesus' honesty with those who are dishonest and speak lies from a lying heart.

Elpidio seems to believe he has more information than Jesus, seems to believe that Jesus was buried rather than rising from the dead with his body in Heaven as scripture tells us, and seems to believe that people will care who he is and what happens to his dead body as if he's on par with Biblical figures . . . it doesn't get much more follish than that I'm afraid.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 05, 2005.


Temple,

You do realize that Elpidio is not a prophet, don't you? He has no knowledge of your death whatsoever. Put your trust in Jesus, not man.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 05, 2005.


So Elpidio is a true prophet only if he believes the way you do..?

His signature says "The Christian Yahwist" So he acknowledges Christ and his teachings, but not only that.. he also acknowledges Yahweh, the name of God. Not necessarily in the same way you do, though.

You say, its better to trust in Jesus than man.. right, so how do you know your beliefs hasnt been elaborated over the years by mere men constantly interpreting the bible according to what they think it must have meant..?

Elp - you mentioned not wanting to be buried or burned.. so how are you going to have your body taken cared of when you're gone? Ive thought about that too. I wouldnt want to be buried either, in a little while - no one's gonna bother to stop by. Waste of space. Cremate.. i dont know about that! And.. im wondering if you know Pastor Ahyh personally..? You mentioned The Church of Yahweh in your other posts and that youre from calif. Ive been reading Ahyh's website for a year now. All i can say is.. wow, he has a way with words. :)

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 05, 2005.


temple,

Test the Spirits

1John4:1-6

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

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Elpidio denies that Jesus is God, in the flesh...you do realize that, right?

He is like the many cults who believe Jesus was just another good prophet. But the Scriptures reveal otherwise.

John 14:6-

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

Jesus answered:

"Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? [wow!] Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father?"

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Talk about clear revelation!! Here we see God bursting through the Scriptures when Phillip said to Jesus, "Show us the Father."

So God says, "Don't you know me Phillip? Even after I have been among you for such a long time???"

-- (faith01@myway.com), March 05, 2005.


You're right, but Elpidio isnt denying Christ, look at his signature!! The Christian Yahwist. Ever thought maybe he sees Jesus' role differently..?

you see, thats where im with Elp on that one.. I believe Jesus is of God in a sense like we are of god. He is the word of God. What i think it means.. picture a King sending a telegram to another place.. the telegram is as real, and its saying just what the King wanted to say. The telegram's role is important because it carries the words of the King, and its presence is real to the reciever. But it is not the King Himself. So far thats my conclusion.

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 05, 2005.


Isaiah 43:10 You are My witnesses, says the Lord, and my servants whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me. v11 I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no savior. (Jesus is the savior, yes, but who made it all happen?.. I give God all the credit)

Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting, that there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other. v7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity. I, the Lord, do all these things.

Isaiah 45:21 And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and aavior, there is none besides Me. v22 Look to Me and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God and there is no other.

isaiah 52:10 - The Lord has made bare His Holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God. (Jesus is His Holy arm! wait.. does that explain trinity?)

isaiah 52:13 - Behold My Servant shall deal prudently, He shall be exalted and extolled and be very high. **Indeed very high, but maybe not as high as the Lord Himself..?**

And last but not the least..

Matt 10:24 - A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. It is enough for a disciple that he be like his teacher and a servant like his master.

I dont accept the teachings of Trinity.. Jesus is the word/servant of God, i.e. a living breathing telegram from the King.. (keep in mind Im not cheapening His role to a telegram) and the Holy Spirit is theirs to use. It can be a power, a .. energy, or a Holy Ghost.. but it shouldnt be as equal as God. It is OF God.

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 05, 2005.


temple,

John 1:1-3

The Word Became Flesh.....

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

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This is where the denial comes in from Elpidio--he denys that Jesus has come in the flesh--meaning that Jesus is God. His different view, makes him an unbeliever according to the very same Scriptures that he uses to support his faith.

That is why I showed you this Scripture in 1 John 4:1-3:

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

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The spirit that leads Elpidio is an antichrist. I know this sounds harsh--but it cannot be ignored.

-- (faith01@myway.com), March 06, 2005.


es, the Mayans sacrificed Humans. when I studied iN high School my book said aztecs and the Mayans where gentle. Oh well, igh school educaiton is terrible... and I bneve rhad much interest in south american hisotry.

ah well.

It does make the whole "evil europeans killign gnetle natuves" theory fall apart though...

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 06, 2005.


I cant speak for Elpidio.. ...but...

You quoted: This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

To me, Elp doesnt deny Christ. His signature inclues "christian" Yahwist.. Maybe he denies that christ is God Himself, as i am, but hes not denying Christ or his teachings.

The verse didnt say: "Every spirit that acknowledges Jesus has come from the flesh and IS God Himself, is from God, and every spirit that does not acknowlege Jesus AS God is not from God." If it were to mean we are to accept Jesus AS God, then why wouldnt it say that, specifically..? To me, it says.. Anyone who will acknowlege Christ.. is from God.. and anyone who wont.. is not of God. Doesnt mean we HAVE to acknowlege Him AS God.

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 07, 2005.


temple--

You miss very important revelation when you separate God's word onto a buffet table where you can pick and choose what you prefer.

I showed you why the term *Jesus has come in the flesh* equals the same meaning as *Jesus is God.*

John 1 tells us that the Word is God.., and it is the Word that became flesh....

I can't force you to experience revelation temple, but if you are approaching these Scriptures with your mind already convinced otherwise--you will not experince God.

-- (faith01@myway.com), March 07, 2005.


I agree there with you also, temple,

The verse didnt say: "Every spirit that acknowledges Jesus has come from the flesh and IS God Himself, is from God, and every spirit that does not acknowlege Jesus AS God is not from God." If it were to mean we are to accept Jesus AS God, then why wouldnt it say that, specifically..? To me, it says.. Anyone who will acknowlege Christ.. is from God.. and anyone who wont.. is not of God. Doesnt mean we HAVE to acknowlege Him AS God.

This verse was a response to Gnostic belief that denied Jesus came in human form. It had nothing to do with Jesus being God.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 07, 2005.


David Olberman, did Jesus know the end and the hour of the end?

The Gospel says he didn't.

Did Jesus know if James and John , the sons of Zebedee could sit at his right or left?

No, he didn't. He said that wasn't for him to do.

And David, you know, as someone who experience the speaking of tongues in the past that people fake when they speak in tongues.

Yet, even Rod who also know me from the last couple of years knows that I don't take credit for everything happening in this world. Neither do I claim receiving revelations from God YHWH every day.

The first prophecy I received from God came true when I joined this forum:Ask Jesus.

This was in July 23, 2000. I had the dream published at the Catholic Forum in November 2002. It was there until March 2003. That's when the New moderator deleted it. yet, somehow I was able to included with the Pope dream from April 2003 and other threads.

God Yahweh said I was going to be around Protestants and there were about 3 or 4 Catholics. Those were Rod, James el Greco, (can't remeber his name now)....,and Gail (a Protestant to Catholic convert). Gail was the 4th. She could pass as both.

The Christian Yahwist

That should speak volumes about me.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 07, 2005.


and david Olberman, just because we can't find the body does not mean the person ascended in the flesh into Heaven.

Examples: Moses. He died. Yet we can't find his body. Do you kow whre Isaiah, Jeremiah, Samuel,....are buried?

We don't even know where Paul is buried!!!

So that argument is valid, David.

So this is what I believe: Jesus was crucified by the Romans. He was buried in the tomb of a wealthy man who was a believer. Most likely Mark's family. John also known as Mark is the man who really took Mary, Jesus mother and the rest of his family to live with him. When Peter came out of jail he visited his house to talk to James, Jesus brother. See Acts. Jesus appeared in dreams to Mary Magdalene,Peter,Thomas,....and finally Paul.

God Yahwh was so impressed by Jesus life and his of dying that he gave Jesus quick immortality in the Spirit. Not only that, he hgave him the power to guide his Church. Unfortunately, Jesus message began to be lost in translation.

Then Jesus became the object of worship instead of the father. That's where I come in: to set the record straight..

The Christian Yawhist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 07, 2005.


For those who regard Jesus as God please consider these facts.

Paul's Salutations always start "Grace and Peace to you from God and the Lord Jesus Christ"

John 20:17 Jesus said:...."I am returning to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God"

John 14:28 Jesus said:....If you loved me you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Remember to give God the Father his due and worship him.

Maybe the Trinity should be understood much like a Rose.

God the Father Being the mian body, roots to the Main Rose head (Center)

Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit being off-shoot flowers from the center.

They move according to the Will of God and they Glorify him always, God provides them with the needed food and water in order for them to continue glorifying him. If God moves to the left they move to the left, if he moves right so do they.

Should they ever stop glorifying God, God can end them and continue to exist and regenerate a new son and holy spirit. However the son and the spirit can NOT end God for he is the center and the roots and they cannot survive without Him.

Hopefully this may help some people to gain a little different understanding of the Trinity.

-- Michael G. (NoEmail@Nowhere.no), March 08, 2005.


Elpidio wrote, "God Yahwh was so impressed by Jesus life and his of dying that he gave Jesus quick immortality in the Spirit. Not only that, he hgave him the power to guide his Church. Unfortunately, Jesus message began to be lost in translation."

You really don't know what you are talking about do you Elpidio???

Jesus said in John 17:5, "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." Jesus already had immortality with God (becuase He is God) before the world (i.e. the earth) was formed...

Who was it that made the Heavens and the Earth???

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), March 08, 2005.


Michael--

Why do you suppose that Jesus said we should be glad that He was going to be with the Father? Yes, the Father is greater.

While on earth, Jesus humbled himself and took on the nature of man. There were even things He did not know as Jesus. This doesn't change the fact that He was still divine and God Himself--however, while here, He was voluntarily limited as a man to some degree. When He left us, He returned to heaven where He, as God the Father, is greater. That is good news to all who love Him.

Phillipians 2:5-11

Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death– even death on a cross!

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

-- (faith01@myway.com), March 08, 2005.


While Jesus was fully God, He was also fully man and for His mission here on earth, He temporarily laid aside His divine powers in order to walk here on earth as a man filled with the Holy Spirit. He had our weaknesses with the single exception of not being born with original sin, so He had no proclivity toward sin, yet He was tempted just as we are every day and yet remained sinless. All of Jesus' knowledge and miraculous powers were from the Holy Spirit, Who's power He had without measure. That's why Jesus's knowledge appeared limited at times and why He said He only does and says what the Father tells Him to do and say. He was in total submission to His Father through the Holy Spirit.

When He knew things about people, like the woman at the well, it was because the Spirit told Him through one of the gifts of the Spirit called Word of Knowledge. When He healed people, He was functioning in the gifts of healing by the power of the Spirit. When He walked on water, He was functioning in the gift of miracles. See 1 Cor for the complete list.

While He was here, He was the only one who had the fullness of the Spirit and thus. But He knew that when He ascended into Heaven, He would send the Spirit to be in His disciples in the same way the Spirit was in Him PLUS the fact that He would take up His role as Intercessor for us. That's why He was anxious to return to Heaven, so these things could take place and the age of the Church could be launched. That's also why we are expected to be able to do the tings that Jesus did, because we have the same Holy Spirit He had and because He's interceding on our behalf.

I experienced my personal day of Pentecost over 20 years ago in which the power of the Spirit flooded me - the room actually shook for several minutes. Ever since, I've been able to pray in tongues, prophesy, and pray for people and watch them healed of disease. Those are the gifts the Lord placed in me.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 08, 2005.


Kind of strange, David .

In 1983 I joined a Catholic Charismatic group. AEven after 5 years, I never was able to speak in tongues.

Then in late 2000 I experienced the light. It was a light so strong I could not openm my eyes. It was like a strong wind that kept my eyes closed. Then it was gone. Still, I never spoke or have spoken in tongues.

Maybe is because I do: English, Spanish, a lttle French, a little Greek,...Esperanto...

I can't buy the argument people speak in tongues not spoken by humans. Acts states that they did.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.


Yet, Elpidio--you are still in the dark....

-- (faith01@myway.com), March 08, 2005.

Elpidio, I don't know what your beliefs were back then, but God knows what He's doing. The Baptism of the Spirit can only be received by true believers, those who have surrendered to Jesus as a true disciple. Surrender is the key. We have to be dead to self and alive in Christ. It's not something that's just received, one must be in right relationship with the Lord first. If you held any of your current beliefs, especially rejecting Jesus as God, then you are not a Christian and not eligible for the Holy Spirit.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 08, 2005.


To respond to your question, since 1 COR 13 says, "If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels . . .", so we know that tongues could be either human or angelic in origin. I have heard many different dialects when I pray in tongues. Some sound very familiar. But there are some that are extremely different from anything I've ever heard, this I assume is a language that is either angelic or is one that only God knows, for 1 COR 14 says, "For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries." If no one understands, except God, then it can't be of human origin.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 08, 2005.


Well, David,Paul even in the same chapter stated that prophecy was better than tongues.Go figure!!!

1Cr 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

1Cr 14:4 He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

1Cr 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

1Cr 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

1Cr 14:7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.


But--prophecy that does not edify the church is not better than tongues--for sure, Elpidio....

-- (faith01@myway.com), March 08, 2005.

Tongues edifies the individual who speaks them. Prophecy edifies all who hear it. False prophecies, such as what you deliver, Elpidio, edify no one and condemn the one who speaks them for falsely speaking words on behalf of God.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 08, 2005.


Hi David.

"...edify no one and condemn the one who speaks them for falsely speaking words on behalf of God. "--David.

That pretty much applies to anyone posting their flavor of interpretations, if they are wrong. How sure can any of us be that we have the absolute 100% truth?

You know. We could quote Scriptures all day and night long. There isn't any risk of condemnation there, unless we go posting flawed text from erroneous bibles (knowingly). It's those interpretations that can get us into trouble.

So, to a Catholic, most all non-Catholics are in danger of damnation. To most Protestants, Catholics are practically frying. We won't even mention them off sects and cults.

.................

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.


So, David, you don't think that telling people their time of death is OK?

Then why did YHWH send Elijah to let Ahab about his death for taking another man's field by killing him, why alllow Micaiah to tell Ahab when he was going to die, why allow Isaiah to let Hexekiah about his death, Jeremiah about Jerusalem's destruction and the death of many people who opposed his prophecies?

You seem to be ignoorant about prophecy, David.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.


But rod,

You can hardly compare the attempts to interpret God's Word by sincere people--with Elpidio's attempts to reinterpret just parts of the Bible until he can have them match his dreams...sheesh!

He prophesies about the deaths of people. He makes predictions.

Do we do that?

-- (faith01@myway.com), March 08, 2005.


Which sin is greater? In the Protestant arena (for the most part), all sins are equal. So, by your measurements, a small lie is just as false as a great lie. One radical doctrine is just as erroneous as the conservative doctrine when both are tainted with false teachings. While you can sit there are condemn Elpidio's faith for errors, others can find errors in your faith, which would place both of you in the same boat. Which is more damning, if there is any error in them?

A. "Once Saved, Always Saved"

B. "Jesus was exalted into Divinity"

C. "Faith Alone"

D. "Infant Baptism"

(We can add to the list all night long.)

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.


Rod can read your cards, faith.

You think God speaks to you every time you ask him.

David Olberman that God speaks through speaking in tongues.

I don't. God speaks when he wants to.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.


Elpidio,

I am not ignorant of prophecy. In fact, just the opposite. Based on what you've told me, I guarantee that you are not hearing from God. It's not that God won't tell us about a specific death if He deems it information that will serve His purposes, such as to warn them to repent. But the entire circumstances here defy any possibility that God is involved with your dreams. As I've stated before, if you're actually having experiences in which you are communicating with a spirit being of some sort, it is NOT God, it is most likely an evil spirit. Which explains why your 2% accuracy rate - God is always 100% accurate.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 08, 2005.


Enters Job:

God allowed Satan himself to fiddle with Job. Was Job condemned? Hmmm. We each have our tests, yes?

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.


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