the number of the beast

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have you heard about the chip implant in the forehead or the hand,that has all your personal information so you need no health card,id,creditcard etc...?

couldn't this 'the number of the beast'-thing ?

what do u think?

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), March 05, 2005

Answers

This is a Catholic forum. This thread should be deleted, since it has nothing to do with Catholicism.

-- (a@b.c), March 05, 2005.

yes it has to do with the revelations of john...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), March 05, 2005.

sdqa

There is difference between the mark of the beast and the number of the beast. The number of the beast is given to us however the sign of the beast is not. Also, it is not the Revelation of John, it is as stated:

Rev 1:1 A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to declare to His servants things which must shortly come to pass.

Best Regards,

-- Big Dave (big.dave@earthlink.net), March 05, 2005.


I htink the satement "Revelation of John" is vlaid in theis case, since the name of the Book is "The apocalypse of St.john" or "The revelaiton of St.john the divine".

It was given through Jesus christ, but also to John, John write it down and it is thus credited form his pen.

To be fair to SQ.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 05, 2005.


yeah ok,sry,i confused these two things,but you know what i meant...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), March 05, 2005.


this isnt the mark of the beast. i dont see whats so evil about an implanted chip. did lucifer develop this technology? plus, if its IMPLANTED, gee, then lucifer is totally screwed.

-- jas (jas_r_22@hotmail.com), March 06, 2005.

every chip has it's number,just like the bar code...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), March 06, 2005.

Catholics don't meditate on that nonsense that comes about from poor interpretations of Revelations. It is a waste of time. What we are required to do is to stick to the Church and hold fast to Her teachings. We must be on guard for the inevitable that will eventually come about.

Catechism

675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.573 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth574 will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. the supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.575

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgement. the Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,576 especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.577

-- DJ (newfiedufie@msn.com), March 06, 2005.


Zarove, not “The Revelation OF St John” but “The Revelation TO St John”. These prepositions are little words that make a big difference. eg all the bigots accusing us of praying TO Our Lady, rather than praying THROUGH her or asking her to pray FOR us.

-- Steve (55555@aol.com), March 06, 2005.

sdqa,

what does it matter if each little chip would have its own number? the mark of the beast? of what use is it to satan that his "members" be unwilling and have no understanding of what such a mark should mean?

no, the mark of the beast will be clear, people will understand that it represents their fall from the church. a secular chip system for keeping track of money hardly qualifies as useful to satan in this regard.

-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), March 06, 2005.



"this isnt the mark of the beast. i dont see whats so evil about an implanted chip. did lucifer develop this technology? plus, if its IMPLANTED, gee, then lucifer is totally screwed"

It might be wise to apply some cause and effect approaches to your comment. And if you do it properly you may find it to be simply another step in the process to total submission to God's opponent.

"did lucifer develop this technology?"

Re-ask yourself that question in about 10 years.

-- Michael G. (NoEmail@Nowhere.no), March 07, 2005.


again, michael g, the mark of the beast will be something which people will willingly accept even though it is clearly against the Kingdom of God. it will not be a credit card on steroids

-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), March 07, 2005.

" He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on (in) his right hand or on (in) his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, **for it is man's number.** His number is 666."

Again, paul h -- It might be wise to apply some cause and effect approaches. And if you do it properly you may find it to be simply another step in the process to total submission to God's opponent.

Example, As these technologies are incorporated into our daily lives, we can see gradual acceptance of events people would have flat out rejected 15-20-30 years ago. Such as implanting a chip or other form of tracking. It will always be in the name of YOUR personal security. Just like we can track you and your cell phone down to with about a 3' radius without your cellphone even being on. It's for YOUR protection! Same with implants it's for YOUR protection! against ID theft, medical information,credit,checking account info. on and on.

It's non-intrusive but it IS for your protection! As computational grids become more efficient this will afford many benefits for your protection. Such as walking into the airport, going shopping, finding you in case you are lost...Keeping total track of you. a cashless society where all you have to do is walk or drive in and your bills are paid with your money. No other way to pay for things after years and years of this accepted technology. because you are totally protected by the government.

Oh yes, I almost forgot have you accepted the beast as your leader? if not, you can not buy or sell because you are an illegal and a risk to society. It's a simple push of the button and you are a Christian and Christians are high risk and must be stopped before they destroy the country. And with these technologies you are a wanted and very easily tracked individual with NO Rights...

Paul it will always be a gradual step by step process to acceptance. Just something to keep in the back of your mind. In fact think back over the past 10-20? years about something which was clearly rejected in society (gays for example) but has graually become accepted by many today.

-- Michael G. (NoEmail@Nowhere.no), March 07, 2005.


yeah great post michael

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), March 08, 2005.

An implanted chip could very well be a mark of the beast as it would meet the critera regarding the buying and selling. It is a ways off though. Could the mark be something that not everybody can see??? at least in their current state. As we can observe, not everybody is given the same gifts in life. Some are really large and can play sports at a very high level for example. The ability to see things (not dead people) that not everybody can see or hear things that not everybody can hear could be gifts given by God to different individuals and may be they can see the mark when others cannot. Just a thought.

-- Nicholas (Knik) Michael Holton (yermam_1@hotmail.com), March 10, 2005.


Yes, "just a thought" (not a reality).

-- (Good@grief.com), March 10, 2005.

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