One Flesh

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-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), March 13, 2005

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"The original sin was therefore the 'casting of the seed upon the ground,' that is, an attempt to prevent conception by performing the sex act in such a manner that the "seed" was not deposited in the wife's (Eve's) vagina. This was the beginning of all sexual perversions and the beginning of all human suffering..." - From the posted article

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), March 13, 2005.

From the Home page:

"Nothing in this life is perfect. The Forces of Good understand this well and never ask us to do more than our best. But this best is required of each person who would be a co-worker with God. We are judged not so much by the degree of our perfection as by the efforts we put forth to advance God's work as we see it. As with the accursed servant who buried his talent, the greatest sin of all is to do NOTHING." (emphasis mine)

Denver Spiritual Community

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), March 13, 2005.

Again, it is about "Faith" and "Works". "Be fruitful and multiply" then begins to have multiple meanings.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 13, 2005.

sorry but i think that this is ****

seed gets casted on the ground(well maybe not the ground literally...)also without stimulation of the sexual organs and with a natural cause in most ppl's teenage years...

sex isn't for reproduction only...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), March 13, 2005.

Hmmmmm.

Which would most likely remained unspilled?

A. Your beer.

B. Your seed.

Many people hold sacred their beer than their seed. There has to be a reason for following in God's will. It deals with the happiness of the soul. It is the path to the truth when the soul is happy, but that happiness is real when the right things are done. Everything else eventually fails to satisfy and becomes mondane, cheap, and useless. Many people learn these things after they have wasted theirs lives in trivial and vain endeavors. They generally come to their senses, sometimes, a little too late.

You might want to ask James Hetfield of Metallica. On his documentary, he reveals surviving his life lost in emptiness. Oh sure, he had everything a hot-harmonal young man would lust for. He admitted that is was nothing. He now views life in a sober existence. He values his family and his sobriety. He doesn't have to worry about waking up hung-over next to some strange woman as a ritual. He even used the idea of being reborn. Well, he's not talking about Christianity, but decency of a fresh and good moral code. His next step, of course, is to seek the Light. We all know Who the Light is.

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 13, 2005.

you are partially correct rod,spilling too much seed too often does **** up your soul,but this doesn't make every act of spilling seed evil...drinking too much beer makes you sick,but you won't get sick when you drink a couple of pints,you'll feel nice...same thing with this...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), March 13, 2005.

Luke,

Since this theory of theirs is based on something they imagined happened between Adam and Eve, something that is not written anywhere in scripture, in fact no where at all, in fact it contradicts scripture, then it's simply a complete fabrication and is total bunk. Why even discuss it? If the foundation for a theory is fiction, so is the theory.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 14, 2005.

Just thought it was interesting.

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), March 14, 2005.

Personally, I avoid even reading stories like that. One of the ways my mind works is that everything I read or hear gets filed in there in some fashion or another - not very organized I'm afraid. So if I start to absorb conjecture like that and/or apochryphal stories about Jesus, inevitably, some tidbit of info might get misfiled into the Truth buckets by accident. Pretty soon, I'm incorporating fiction in with Truth without even realizing it :-) I think a lot of people do that, like how many people view the story of Moses through the Charlton Heston image rather than what the Bible said (there are some significant departures from the Bible).

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 14, 2005.

There is no original sin.

Sin in Hebrew thought is related to disease, physical deformities or infirmities.

Sin , if it is the original kind, that is , like a type of disease, then it is physical death. We all die.

The story as told in Genesis and written around 580 -500 BC tries to establish why we die.

catholic dogma makes sexual intercourse a sin, does creating sinful babies. Only way to erase sin is through baptism.

I reject both ideas of thought.

Death is inevitable because we must die to allow others to live. There will not be enough pysical resources to feed everyone.

Babies annot sin nor are born in sin. God said that we must reproduce, thus making sex for procreation good. So babies are not born with original sin.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 15, 2005.

Elpidio said, "Sin in Hebrew thought is related to disease, physical deformities or infirmities" and is a "type of disease". WRONG. The Jews knew that sin is disobedience to God - period. They also understood that sin caused disease, physical deformities and infirmities, as Christians also believe. But sin is not a type disease.

Actually, everything he just said is wrong, but that should be obvious to most.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 15, 2005.

I dunno about the Hebrew aspect, but they do not believe in inherited sin. Nor should we. Babies aren't born in sin

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), March 15, 2005.

Explain David Olberman then this passage:

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Isa 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Compare with Mathew:

Mat 8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

Mat 8:15 And he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them.

Mat 8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with [his] word, and healed all that were sick:

Mat 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare [our] sicknesses.

Then compare with John:

Jhn 9:1 And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from [his] birth.

Jhn 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

Jhn 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Jhn 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

Jhn 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Jhn 9:6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,

From Blue Bible=KJV

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 15, 2005.

All of what you posted indicates, as I stated, that sin is a cause of sickness and disease. But sin is NOT a type of sickness or disease. Sin is disobedience - period. What are the 10 commandments? Commands - yes? When one breaks one of the commandments, one has sinned - yes? Is that then a type of sickness? NO. Can it lead to sickness? YES. One example could be found in the commandment to "honor your father and mother" which promises a long life, so failure to keep that commandment could cause a short life. Cause and effect - the cause is NOT an effect in and of itself.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 15, 2005.

bold off, again. Why did someone delete the first time I fixed this thread?

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 15, 2005.

Likely the autodelete.Many of y posts where eleted as well. Soem others ave complaiend.

Greenspun is expeirncing difficultues.

till tis fixes we ahve to endeure.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 15, 2005.