why should anyone believe in god ?

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let me start by saying i do not mean to offend anyone and totaly respect the beliefs of others. that said, i cannot for the life of me see why anyone can possibly believe in god. there is not one shred of evidence to support the belief that god exists. if god existed as an all seeing all knowing all powerfull being who could do whatever he wished and loved us all the way he is believed to love us all then why is there so much suffering in the world. i have heard an argument that bad things happen to teach us the value of good things and to teach us valueable lessons. if there was a god and he was all powerfull, then surely he could teach us these lessons without all the suffering and pain. i have explored the idea of god several times in my life, but i just cannot believe that there is supposedly a god that loves us all yet he lets things like the recent tsunami disaster happen. so could someone please tell me why anyone should believe in god when the world is the way it is. if there was really a god .....the world would surely be a much nicer place.

-- alan (agbi1@hotmail.com), March 13, 2005

Answers

Alan,

You make some points with your reasons, questions. And to be honest these ARE exactly why are here.

What if someone told you that we had resided within the true Heaven at one point, but because of our own rebellion we were cast out in order to reconcile our Hearts, Mind, Soul?

What if you were told that Original Sin is us being deprived of Justice, so that in order for US to truely Understand how good God Really is and how happy Heaven Really is, (i.e. ) How good we really did have it.

And that we needed to see and experience BOTH Good and Evil and that is was up to US to correct ourselves one way or the other.

Do you want to cry out for Justice? Do you want everyone to be fed, housed, good health, FREE? Do you want TRUE Justice and Are YOU willing to help to work at making sure justice is served by helping to feed the poor, cloth the naked, heal the sick?

Do You want EVIL removed for you life and society FOREVER?

Then if you do YOU are already working to return to the one True God! To be able to partake in the One TRUE Paradise! To return to True JUSTICE!

For you have NOW Seen what is offered outside of God's Kingdom.

You have looked Several times for God, But hopefully this will help you Start to understand him. And there are many people here which can help you along just ask your questions.

-- Michael G. (NoEmail@Nowhere.no), March 13, 2005.


maybe god simply isn't all powerfull?

for example,could god do bad things? if he could then he isn't everything what he's all about anymore, and if he can't then he isn't allmighty anymore...

true allmightiness is a paradox...

and about the tsunami disaster...the life that the ppl have there,and the future that awaits them there,maybe it's better for their own sake that they are dead then living a life full of pain

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), March 13, 2005.


Maybe the tsunami disaster is a good example for 2 reasons.

What if those people met all of the injustice that they needed for them to truely see and understand the Goodness of God and Heaven and now it was time to bring them home.

But on the other hand maybe it was also the real test is to see how the world as a whole and each individual acted and took up the responsiblity to help bring Justice back into the lifes of these previously unknown or forgotten individuals.

So maybe the Real power in God was to bring home his little ones and to see how the rest of his children would take care of each other.

Which ones said hey these ARE my brothers and sisters who need my help! And which ones said screw them I have other things to do, let somebody else take care of them I don't know them.

I believe that these are some of the issues which will bring us back home or keep us out of Heaven.--To help us understand the True goodness of God or to reject Him.

-- Michael G. (NoEmail@Nowhere.no), March 13, 2005.


God created the world as a perfect paradise as a home for mankind. And man was created perfect, without flaw or sin. We only had to obey one rule, don't eat the fruit from the bad tree. But because we didn't listen, our disobedience cursed this paradise and are stuck with the fallen nature of the world and the sinful nature of mankind as WE made it. God, at great cost to Himself, has been busy redeeming people who want to be saved from this wreck of a world we messed up, but the majority of us refuse His help. At some point in the near future, God will lift up all who have accepted His help, destroy the world and start all over by re-creating the paradise that we lost and place those of us who are in Christ to live in that paradise for eternity.

David

P.S. Actually, the evidence for God is ALL around you. You've just chosen not to accept the truth.

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 14, 2005.


Someone help please? I posted an answer that was "too big" I think. It was 4 pages long on Word. But I tried to cut the size down and it was still too big. Technically what is the limit on how big my post can be?

-- Rina (emailmarina@yahoo.com), March 14, 2005.


About mans exile from the garden, If God was perfect and the garden was perfect, why was the tree with the forbiden fruit there? hardly perfect with a tree in there that causes humanity to be exiled and suffer for thousands of years, to me it seems like a no brainer to just maybe not have that tree there, Its like setting up a nursery and thinking hmmm lets see we'll have a cushion, some toys, ill give them a bit of food and what else? Oh yes a flame thrower thats a great idea ah perfect!. Also why was the serpent there? Pretty daft of god to create that too wasnt it? even more silly to make the little bugger talk, if he would have just created a regular snake we would have been ok but no he had to show off.

-- alice (heynoshoe@signal.org), March 14, 2005.

1: uNLIKE DAVID ncc, I do not beleive the world as created as a paridiztic world for Humanity.

I know, more torublign self interpretaiton, I just hink hat the Bible says plainly all things where made for God. It never once says "The wolrld was mDE FOR a habitation of mankind." dver.

2: Alan, I htink you see things too narrowly.

You see thigns form this workds perspective. Bad thigns happen, so God cant exist. The toruble is, if this life is merley a school, a concept you broguht up, to learnign lessons, then God may not care about this word at all. He woudl only care about our souils. an once freed form this wolrd, we will see that all the pain, suffering, and loss we had here are nothing. Meanignless. what mattered was te ocntent of our souls, not the health of our bodies, which where trasitory.

In th eLoing run, this makes mroe sence.

3: Likewise, you overlook fre will. Love cannot exist without free will. so, if God loves us, he must allow us to choose. By allowing us to choose, he grants the posisbility that we will choose poorly,a nd as a reuslt cause pain, suffering, and stirfe. so huamn acitons, sch as chairman Mao or stalins executions, wherent because God could not sp them, btu because if God forced everyone to obey, we woudlnt love him, we woudl be mere robots, machines.

4: mY ORIGIONAL POS SEEMS OT HAVE BEEN DELETED.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 14, 2005.


The tree never existed, Alice.

It was just a way for people to explain how sin is the product of disobedience to God.

Maybe it ws a shrub, like a tomato, who knows. The idea was to make people to understand why there is dry weather, bad weather,...and so on.

We call it myth.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 14, 2005.


Elpidio knows because he was there . . . oh, that's right, he wasn't, so he really doesn't KNOW anything.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 14, 2005.


Neither do you, David, as you wherent their either, yet you proclaimed all the earth a creation for mans habitaiton...

which isnot in scripture.

we shoidl be leneint on this baord with divergent veiws. In this case, elpidio isnot alone in his beleif that the story is allegorical and not real. Many modern theoligians agree with him, just as many Christaisn agree wiht you that the whoel fo creaiton was fur Human consumption. Neither are privable positiins in scirotue, and indeed, your own position is disprvable, since "The whole of the earht is God's."

after all, Job was chastised for similar sentements.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 14, 2005.



People tend to forget how ALIVE earth is. It is alive, its constantly moving and growing.. Tornados, hurricanes, quicksands, sandstorms, tsunamis, earthquakes, mudslides, volcanoes, ..... the list goes on.

I dont believe God picks the specific place and time for it to happen so that the people are "punished" You cant blame God for everything that happens. He is not a babysitter or our guardian angel as some would like to believe.. I like to think of disasters as "if it happens, it happens. The victims were at the wrong place at the wrong time."

There is so much sorrow in the world.. yes. But when people are at their happiest, most tend to take it for granted. When they're at their lowest, they would blame God. Now, that isnt right.

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 14, 2005.


We tend to blame God YHWH for everything bad that happens.

God doesn't protect me from danger, only from death.

In January 2002 he told me I was going to have a painful wound. That is the one I mentioned where I said: pray for my surgery. I was told I had to eat the pain, that is, the pain was going to be there for a lonmg time. I was bleeding from my body, like Job, for more than 2 years. I had two surgeries to remedy the situation.

I was also told about the problems I will face for the next 3 years. I was told no matter how much trash was going to be thrown my way, I will overcome all obstacles. This was in November 2002.

So many times I am warned about incoming problems. That helps, even if it hurts.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 14, 2005.


Ow, surgeries.. No fun. -_- But i hope you're all better now.

You're lucky He takes the time to let you know whats going to happen your way. :)

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 14, 2005.


You've just chosen not to accept the truth.

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 14, 2005.

What is your proof ??

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Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:

-- Laurent LUG (.@...), March 14, 2005.


That is what keeps me going, Temple.

Even Paul complained of a thorn in the flesh. That is, Paul was also in pain. Most likely he also bled, like me. In another passage he tells one of his disciples to use wine while eating. It seems that disciple also suffered from stomach complications, most likely ulcers. Paul and his companions had a tendency to fast (abstain from food).

2Cr 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

From Blue Bible=KJV

1Ti 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

But my suffering is not even half that of the Pope. I often wonder how strong his will is. He falls down, but recovers. Sad to see the man recover this time one last time. He won't be with us when June 2005 comes.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 14, 2005.



Zarove, the proof is in the fact that God created the paradise and created man in that paradise and had the man name all of the animals and gave man dominion over the animals . . . sounds like he was setting up a habitation, hard to argue otherwise . . . then let's see, oh yes, God told them to be fruitful and multiply - yep, the earth was made for man. And final proof that God's intention that earth was to be a paradise, after the first Adam messed it up and got us kicked out the Garden, Jesus, the second Adam, promises to restore that paradise, just read Revelations about the King reigning on the New Earth in the New Jerusalem after the old corrupt earth has been destroyed. So Jesus first redeemed man, then He redeems Creation.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 14, 2005.


Laurent, the "proof" that he doesn't accept the truth? That seems pretty apparent. More likely you're asking for the "evidence of God" all around you. If so, then read Romans that tells us that all of Creation shows evidence of our Creator so that "man is without excuse". A study of the Earth and creation is proof positive that it is the result of a super intelligence. Just ask Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawkings as well as many others who have studied the cosmos and concluded that what is evident is that all that is seen is evidence of a super intelligent designer who ordered everything from the microcosmic particles to the cosmos. They are not Christians, but they had to conclude that a Creator exists who designed and ordered this universe.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 14, 2005.


Be fair, Einstein, a Jew, believed in a personal God at the end of his life, but Hawking denies the existence of a personal God.

Zarove, the proof is in the fact that God created the paradise and created man in that paradise and had the man name all of the animals and gave man dominion over the animals . . . sounds like he was setting up a habitation, hard to argue otherwise . . .

No its not. See, the trouble is you assume man was the point of it all from word go, then interpret things form that perspective. However, simply giving humans dominant positions in the earth doesn’t mean all creation was established for humanity.

Again, it is not written that man was the purpose of creation, merely that Man was to steward creation.

I give God the glory of creation, and not man, nor am I arrogant enough to think Humanity the only thing God is concerned with, and the purpose for everything.

then let's see, oh yes, God told them to be fruitful and multiply - yep, the earth was made for man.

"Be fruitful and multiply" means " I created everything for you"? He also told the animals to be fruitful and multiply, does that mean the Bible contradicts itself?

From Genesis chapter 1,

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 14, 2005.


20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Telling Adam and Eve to reproduce doesn’t mean that everything was made solely for humanity.

And saying “Be fruitful, and Multiply” to Adam and eve no more means that all of creation was made expressly for them than it means all of creation was made for the animals, whom are also thus commanded.

And final proof that God's intention that earth was to be a paradise, after the first Adam messed it up and got us kicked out the Garden, Jesus, the second Adam, promises to restore that paradise,

Paradise is not the part I was debating. I argue against paradise created for humanity.

Humanity was created to tend God's garden, the earth. Not the earth to support humanity.

just read Revelations about the King reigning on the New Earth in the New Jerusalem after the old corrupt earth has been destroyed. So Jesus first redeemed man, then He redeems Creation.

And I argued against this how? I merely stated that man is not the purpose of all things, and the earth was not established only for humanity. I did not say that Jesus would not redeem creation, only that humans aren’t the sole purpose of creation, only its corruptors, and intended caretakers.

And again, all Glory is to God, and he created for himself, not for us, lest we should boast.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 14, 2005.


Alan, I asked this question before, “why is there so much suffering”. Once upon a time though, it dawned on me, how dare I make my own God? If I were God, I would do this or that. Well the simple truth is that you and I aren't God.

This reminds me very much of people I know who didn't have children and told me, "If I were a parent, I would do this or that." Guess what? When they became parents, they couldn't live up to their own expectations. Ha! I was one of those.

Now, I get people who tell me how great my kids are, so why do I punish them for small infractions? And my answer is, "Well, why else do you think my kids are so great?" My friend B has a wild child that she never disciplines yet always tells me, "I wish I could have had kids like yours. They are so well behaved. (As if this comes naturally to kids.) While I’m disciplining my children for disobedience, she is bribing her child to “shut up.” He is a little terror. Ever watch Nanny 911?

We are rebellious children Alan. God is our Father. You would have him be a parent like my friend B. That would lead us all to destroy ourselves. Or, you would have made people perfectly, without freewill, so that they never would have sinned. Personally Alan, I don't want to be a mindless robot. I'm grateful for free will, even though I don't always choose wisely.

Another thing, it wasn’t until after I became a parent that I finally understood some of what God does. Some of the things I tell my children naturally actually come from God’s word in the bible!

-- Rina (emailmarina@yahoo.com), March 14, 2005.


Suffering and pain: There are many viewpoints, here is one parent’s:

{1} As a 1 year old my son touched a candle. Ouch! He experienced the natural consequence of what fire can do. Did I have to punish him for that? Of course not, he received his punishment already. Sometimes when we suffer the natural consequences of things we get angry with God. (When you don’t show up for work, you get fired!)

{2} As a 2 year old, he tried sticking things into the outlets. He was too stubborn to listen so I gave him a swat on the butt. It sure stopped that behavior. Sometimes God swats us on the butt to get us to stay away from bad behavior. My swat on the butt was getting pregnant, that sure stopped my fornication.

{3} As a 3 year old, he liked to run away from me at the mall. Once he ran too far and I watched him as he turned around and couldn’t find me and started to feel the loss of his mommy. I let him feel that loss for a moment, then saved him, then reprimanded him not to do it again. In the bible, the woman about to be stoned probably felt really bad and when Jesus saved her and said to her, “go and sin no more,” he gave her a little reprimand just to drive the lesson home.

-- Rina (emailmarina@yahoo.com), March 14, 2005.


Now, on to the general answer regarding why bad worldwide things happen. It all started at the beginning with the first act of disobedience. There are no “natural” consequences for eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God had to put His foot down. You may think that it was a harsh thing to do, but realize that Adam and Eve are the parents of what would be the entire human race... what would have happened if they didn't truly learn their lesson? Maybe 10 {?} generations later, there would have been no upright man named Noah. Who knows?

But the point is, you aren't God and you were not there. People like to think that Adam and Eve were innocent little children who made one little mistake. But we know that they were to sire the whole human race and they had direct contact with God; I'm sure they were pretty intelligent. Anyways, point being, death came into this world because of that. Is that mean of God? Well, tell me that you NEVER would have sinned in the Garden. Tell me that if you were a high priest with all of your power, that you WOULDN'T have been angry with Jesus turning all the tables on your "religion." Did Adam and Eve BRING sin into this world or could anyone have done it? Free will is a pain isn't it?

-- Rina (emailmarina@yahoo.com), March 14, 2005.


That wasn't a theological answer, take what I said there with a grain of salt. But understand that natural disasters aren't "evil" when you believe in God. Because we as Christians know that everyone gets what they deserve in the end. Do YOU want to live forever? Not on this world I wouldn't.

And yes, some people die painful deaths. I hate thinking about that. But I will relate that to childbirth. While giving birth to my son I screamed the f word a million times. "Get the f out of here. Don't f'n tell me how to breathe..." You just cannot imagine what it's like to give birth, especially without the drugs. You know what's funny? I can't imagine either. The memory of the pain totally disappeared. {Why else do you think I had 2 more children?}

Yes, pain is awful. But all tears will be wiped away in heaven and we will no longer remember pain. It is sad that there is pain in this world but it does not "prove" that there is no God.

-- Rina (emailmarina@yahoo.com), March 14, 2005.


[[why anyone should believe in god when the world is the way it is. if there was really a god .....the world would surely be a much nicer place. ]]

The world WAS a nicer place, humanity screwed it up. You can't blame God for being a good parent. But there is hope, my friend. God gives us ways to deal with all pain. You just have to give your life over to Him.

By the way, you don't WANT to believe in God I take it, so what kind of proof could I even give you?

But then again, if you didn't want to, you never would have explored the "possibilies of God" would you? I explored the possibilities also and came to the conclusion that science disproved the existence of God.

I totally remember letting myself get brainwashed with all the science and mocking Christians. Well, one day this little thing in the back of my head told me to check over something again. It was a contradiction. I was boggled by it because I was a skeptic and a rebel and here I was, blindly swallowing up what I was being taught without even having first hand knowledge, or testing the theory, or even seeing another viewpoint about it.

Well, one day I came across some information regarding a Christian stand point on the beginning of the universe and I was totally blown away how the information tied up loose ends, contradictions and even went beyond that. Things that "boggle" scholars were quite clear to me now. Even that didn't make me believe in God. It took another few incidents to be the final straw.

And even then I was reluctant to go deeper until he literally spoke into my heart. The point is, we can't prove God to you. But he might come knocking on your door one day.

-- Rina (emailmarina@yahoo.com), March 14, 2005.


Zarove,

I continue to disagree with you. If the earth wasn't intended as man's habitation, why was Creation cursed as a result of man's sin? If man was just caretaker, why not destroy the steward and allow the Garden to continue. By tying the fate of the Garden to the obedience of man, God clearly demonstrates that the purpose of the Garden was a habitation in which man could dwell. The same thing happened again with the Flood.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 15, 2005.


One more point for your consideration, Zarove. If man wasn't the point of earth and God's work here, why was Jesus "slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev 13:8). If before the world was created, God already KNEW that man was going to be created and that man was going to sin and that Jesus was going to die on the cross to redeem man . . . doesn't this add up to a man-centered purpose for earth in your mind? It certainly does mine.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 15, 2005.


Just decided to actually read Genesis 1:26 and think you'll agree that the earth was indeed created for man, at least I can't see how it can be argued otherwise:

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so."

So man is not the steward. A steward does not have dominion over. A steward is not "given" these things. A steward does not "subdue" that which is in his care.

Zarove, it's very clear in scripture that God made the earth and all that was in it and gave it to man to be his habitation and to have dominion over it. David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), March 15, 2005.


Wow, Rina.. youve made really good points. :) I hope Alan will take what you said to heart. :) Its true, we can only show them our reasons for believing but its only up to them to open their hearts if they're ready and willing to realize God.

David ncc - If before the world was created, God already KNEW that man was going to be created and that man was going to sin and that Jesus was going to die on the cross to redeem man . . . doesn't this add up to a man-centered purpose for earth in your mind? It certainly does mine.

To me, it all adds up to a game. If God "knew" what was going to happen, and yet cast satan and his angels on earth.. He's cruel to his creation. I cant, for the life of me, see it that way. But thats just me. :)

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 15, 2005.


1: AT leats admit the "Be fruitful and multiply" line idnt prive man was the poitn of it all.

2: Man;s sin affected all of cration, thuis is also written. However, this doesnt mean all of creation was indeed made for man. Indeed, why make outer space where man cannot live? Why not make man capable of living in outer psace, an travelign to al poitns of space, if tis all for him?

Think in terms of rot. One rotten patch ruins the whole.

3: I never denied human domenence, I merely denied human pupose. Humanity is the King of the earth, just as God is king of all creaiton. However, a King is not the purpose for his subjects existance. God is both king and creator. Man is merley king and fellow creation. Haivng dominion over, and subduing, the earth and all living thigns is not equel to them beign created sely for that end.

I must maintian that it is arrogant to think all of cration, form the furthest black hole tot he most distant star, was made for man. It was all made for God and his glory, nto man.

Likewise, every plant and animal, every tree and flower, every rock and seck of dust, is God's and God's alone, and not mans. Teh whoel earht is God's, as it is also written. Man merley is to care for the earth.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 15, 2005.


The reason for destoryign all in the flood was because "All Flesh " anot "All Human kind" had been contaminated wiht mans actions.

Thus, due to mans sins, all where effected, and to ruge the world fo the reusltant contamination the flood came.

As to only cursign man and not desotryign him this is for love.

You think that God lvoes us enotygh to create a universe for us, and only us. Buttgen, what of the animals? You don love them that musch, so you imaging God to be the same.

But form their perspective, why shdl they be loved less? why shoidl they only exist to serve you, then die and thta be their end?

This liekwise leads to another problem in r undestanding I htink. You think that if God didnt create the whoel Unvierse soely or man, he must not lvie man. fr he doesnt l e the anunals in yor estemation. However, God lvoes man, this si why he grants him a chance at redemption.

Just as he loves a sparrow, and a flower in the feild, so he loves man enouh to long for his repentance. This si why man was not simpley desotryed.

But not because man si the purpose of creation, which si not revealed in scirotuee, and is base don mere interpetaiton.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 15, 2005.


Alan - you say theres not one shred of evidence that God exists.. Im a fan of History channel and there is this program called "Digging for the truth"

A few weeks ago the show tried to find the ten commandments in the.. covenant of the ark..? (Im not sure if thats what its called?) anyway, The host on the show, Josh Bernstein, started from Mount Sinai and ended up somewhere in Ethopia. And there, the locals showed Josh a sacred place surrounded by a fence and there is a man guarding the entrance. It is said that the guardian has always been within the gates and only he can see the actual covenant of the ark.

Josh and his crew couldnt see the actual ten commandments and the covenant but the locals celebrate the event annually and they had actually made copies of the covenant of the ark and performed their rituals.

It was pretty convincing.

Also, just yesterday the History channel had a show about Noah's Ark. Supposedly, the rim of the ark is sticking out somewhere on Mount Ararat. The satellite pictures are really convincing. If that doesnt make you go "hmm" yet, then consider this.. somewhere near Mount Ararat is a grave. It is a stone and it has a hole on the top, which would make it a sea-anchor and on the stone is 8 crosses - which would represent 8 people on Noah's Ark. (Still i wonder, who would have buried the last one alive? :P) I watched that same show about Noah's Ark a couple of years ago, when i didnt beleive in God, at all. And i remember thinking i didnt want it to be true. I liked my life the way it was and i didnt want anything to convince me that there is a God indeed. And i didnt give it that much thought until yesterday when i saw it again. :P

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 15, 2005.


Just as he loves a sparrow, and a flower in the feild, so he loves man enouh to long for his repentance. This si why man was not simpley desotryed. -Zarove.

Aw, that is sweet to the soul. :) I totally agree with you, Zarove. I dont believe animals are made simply for food or whatever we value them for now. They're made because it is of God's taste. :)

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 15, 2005.


Also why was the serpent there? Pretty daft of god to create that too wasnt it? even more silly to make the little bugger talk, if he would have just created a regular snake we would have been ok but no he had to show off. -Alice-HeyNoShoe- (haha - Hey no shoe)

God created Alligators, Sharks, serpents, maggots, spiders, worms, parasites.. etc, etc. why? why not. :P

I came to this conclusion that maybe we werent speaking in a sense like we are now. Maybe we were all consciously aware of each other and could communicate telepathically.

Science say we only use 10% of our mind. Whatever happened to the other 90%..?

Think about it.. animals attack each other now, i often wondered why..? But now i honestly believe its because they're paranoid of being eaten, so its better to eat than be eaten. But why be paranoid? Because our conscious are limited to ourselves individually. But maybe it wasnt this way before "The Fall"

All problems today wouldnt be real if we could all be aware of everything. If we all knew how it would feel to one another, we wouldnt want to do it. Yes, some are aware but dont even care of how others feel, but its only because they cant feel it themselves.

This is seperation from one another, not embracing one another.

What do you guys think..?

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 15, 2005.


Also why was the serpent there? Pretty daft of god to create that too wasnt it? even more silly to make the little bugger talk, if he would have just created a regular snake we would have been ok but no he had to show off. -Alice-HeyNoShoe- (haha - Hey no shoe)

God created Alligators, Sharks, serpents, maggots, spiders, worms, parasites.. etc, etc. why? why not. :P

I came to this conclusion that maybe we werent speaking in a sense like we are now. Maybe we were all consciously aware of each other and could communicate telepathically.

Science say we only use 10% of our mind. Whatever happened to the other 90%..?

Think about it.. animals attack each other now, i often wondered why..? But now i honestly believe its because they're paranoid so its better to eat than be eaten. But why be paranoid? Because our conscious are limited to ourselves individually. But maybe it wasnt this way before "The Fall"

All problems today wouldnt be real if we all knew whats going on everywhere. Murder, rape, kidnapping.. wouldnt even happen.

Once Adam ate the apple, both of their eyes were opened. Notice the serpent didnt point out that they were naked and explained what nakedness meant..? Nope, right that instant, their eyes opened. So, their conscious changed from one thing to another.

This is seperation from one another, not embracing one another.

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 15, 2005.


Alan, are yu interested in my answer?

The Cjhristian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 15, 2005.


Woops, i didnt mean to double-post. The website wouldnt respond when i posted the first message. Didnt know it was already posted. Sorry, guys. :)

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 15, 2005.

i am interested, Elp.. if that counts. :)

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 15, 2005.

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