I am aparently Anti-Catholic

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Over on the Cahtolci forum, some members have taken it upon themselve to defend their faith agaisnt an evil monster out to desotgry Holy Mother Churhc.Me.

my anti-Catholisism extends so far to Using the Authorised Version of the Bible, or King James Version, as my preference, calling the deuterocannonical books in Cahtlic Bibles "Apocrypha" when dealign withhte KJV ( Sunce htis is what they are claled in the KJV) and beleiivng aniamls have immortal souls and pointing out that saying animals lakc immortal souls sint supported in any Cahtolic doctorine.

Oh an the fact that I am not Catholic.

this apparently emans I am tryign to decieve peopel and get them to convert tot he Chruhc of chirst, een though I havent attended the Chruhc of chirst since 1999.

Seeow evil I am, wea splannign on atackign Grenspun the whole time so cooked up an alabie een efore I fgot the internet. I truely am a servent of satan who tlels mw hwat to do...

( sorry all just venting.)

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 14, 2005

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Over on the Cahtolci forum, some members have taken it upon themselve to defend their faith agaisnt an evil monster out to desotgry Holy Mother Churhc.Me.

my anti-Catholisism extends so far to Using the Authorised Version of the Bible, or King James Version, as my preference, calling the deuterocannonical books in Cahtlic Bibles "Apocrypha" when dealign withhte KJV ( Sunce htis is what they are claled in the KJV) and beleiivng aniamls have immortal souls and pointing out that saying animals lakc immortal souls sint supported in any Cahtolic doctorine.

Oh an the fact that I am not Catholic.

this apparently emans I am tryign to decieve peopel and get them to convert tot he Chruhc of chirst, een though I havent attended the Chruhc of chirst since 1999.

Seeow evil I am, wea splannign on atackign Grenspun the whole time so cooked up an alabie een efore I fgot the internet. I truely am a servent of satan who tlels mw hwat to do...

( sorry all just venting.)

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 14, 2005.


Zarove--

Animals seem to lack a self-awareness that I think a soul delivers to us.

We know that we exist--we know that we have a loving God becuae the Holy Spirit reveals this to our very soul.

An animal doesn't know that he knows anything--let alone, being able to know God. He has no soul.

-- (faith01@myway.com), March 14, 2005.


1: animals actally are self aware. not only do I know this form personal dealigns with animals, but scientific studies have rather conclusively priven that animals are sentielnt.

2: Self awareness is not the base minimal for possesion of a soul, some autistics arent sentient, yet I doubt you say they dtn have souls.

3: Lets nto discuss the animal issue here, the point of the firts post is anti-Cahtolisism and me beign supposeldy rabidly so.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 14, 2005.


Faith... faith..

animals DO have souls. They even have free-will! They dont have "knowledge" Now there is a difference. An animal can choose when to eat, when/where to sleep, where to go, etc.. I have a cat and a ferret. :)

I remember beckoning my cat to come to me.. she looked over the opposite direction and glanced back at me. I beckoned again and she went the other way. a few seconds later, she came back to look at me. At that moment, i realized they do have free-will. We had free-will before "The fall" but not knowledge. So im thinking its safe to say maybe we were consciously like them. Maybe more, who knows.

How can you deny souls in animals..?

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 14, 2005.


Zarove.. IF anyone shuns you based on differences, then they are being too judgemental.. Yah'shua/Jesus does not like sectarianism.

He said "Anyone who is NOT against us, is WITH us." Mark 9:40

If that doesnt really help then maybe this will - Isaiah 66 :)

Sadly, Catholics arent the only one with that kinda attitude. Oh boy, if all would ACTUALLY take what Yah'shua/Jesus said to heart.. maybe we wouldnt be hurting each other like this. -_-

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 14, 2005.



If you treat others' faith with disrespect, they will treat you the same way.

If I remember rightly, you have asked for others to be banned on this forum for not respecting your beliefs or posts, so you should not be surprised if someone else thinks the same way of you, should you? At least by your post no one was asking that you be BANNED, just apparently calling what they felt was a spade, a spade. Hard to imagine why you'd get your nose all out of joint about it.

You have in the past gone to great lengths to try and show how "tolerant" you are, and going onto a Catholic forum and calling what they believe is the inspired Word of God as "apocrypha" could be very insulting to some, just like if someone came here and called the KJV "apocrypha". Don't know why you can't understand that either.

I don't know why anyone on the Catholic forum would get worked up about you believing about mice having immortal souls, I've never heard of Jesus' sacrifice for mice, but as a Protestant, if you want to believe that, one more heresy is no more damning than one less, it's an all-or-nothing end result after all. Believe what you want about animals, what difference will it really make?

BTW, who was it over there that was criticizing you? Some people are quick to jump off the handle (like you ((and your critic))) while others are less so. I'd be interested to know who you offended.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), March 14, 2005.


temple,

Animals are not self-aware. That is why I think they do not have souls. They don't know that they exist or that they can die. Or, should I say, they don't know that they know they can die.

-- (faith01@myway.com), March 14, 2005.


Maybe they dont know about death but does that mean they DO NOT have souls..? Come on. Dogs beg for attention. What does that mean..? How can they beg for attention if they do not have souls to begin with?

I could easily say babies dont have souls. :) (I know babies do! :P)

When i scold Keekee or Zeke for doing something wrong, they cringe with fear. Explain that if they dont have souls..?

You know what.. thats the problem. We tell ourselves animals simply dont have souls. Cows simply dont feel pain when we butcher them for food. When we cant find a home for pets, we put them to "sleep" .. etc, etc.

I remember being at a farm of my mom's friend and he recently cut off one of the cow's testicles. Me and my friend wanted to see the cow so we all went.. the cow was scared sh*tless. He wouldnt let the farmer go near him. It was so sad. I knew right then the farmer lied about the cow not feeling pain at all.

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 14, 2005.


It would be difficult to call the KJV "apocryphal" considering that it was extracted from the Catholic Bible. But, it would be ok to say that about the KJV, as long as the assertions can be backed up. That's the thing about this forum.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), March 14, 2005.


Trees grow towards the light - they are responsive to their environment.

Planaria can be taught to go in a given direction in a T maze and if cut in half, can "remember" with both halves when they grow back into two wholes. Do they therefore have Souls? Do you see any difference at all to *responding to one's environment* and behavior associated with a soul?

Part of Christianity is believing that there is SOMETHING that sets mankind apart from the animals. That something impels us to live up to a higher conduct than they do. Or in other words, if we are no different than animals, why should we be held to a higher standard of conduct than they are?

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), March 14, 2005.



1: aNIMALS ARE SEFL AWARE FAITH. cHECK INTO IT SOMETIME. aNIMALS POSSESS KNWOELDGE OF DEATH AS WELL.

Ill post links, just not on this thread.

I will ask that all discussion about anumals be drpped since that sit th epoit o this thread hwoever.

2: Frank, I havent called for anyone to be banned form this forum. so thats just flat out not true. Neither have I disrespected anyones faith.

3: The reason I "Dont understand" the attakcs is becase I do unseratand them. Their bogotry againt soemone whose beleifs differ form theirs. The Irnony is, its nto even a cahtolic issue. The cahtolci chruhc does not teach that animals lakc immortal osuls, its sheer opinion.

4: The KJV Bible cannot be called "Apocrypha" because that woudl mean mathew, mark, luke, deutoronomy, leviticus, ect, are all Apocryp;al. I dint even call the works apoctypha here, I call them "Contested works". I only call them Apocryoha when talkign about a prodict that calls them this, as I explaiend on the other board.

5: You ar eonly defendign my attackers frank because you are as hard core and opposed to peopel who disagree with you as they. You want me silenced i the past threads, and they want me silenced here.

Again, this sin rellay me opposing the Cahtolic churhc, since no cahtolic teachign even exists. its me beign upset because peopel are atakcign em for no reaosn, kinda liek you right now.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 14, 2005.


Incedentlaly my toleration is not false, nor do I do it to make my image nbetter. ( As anyone who knwos me wil attest, I do not kiss up to anyone.)

And, accusatiosn abotu my supposed desire to ban peoel for disareement is not goign to itsself be toelrated lightly.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 14, 2005.


Zarove

you've been picked upon by a couple of lunatics. ignore them and they'll go away.

i've seen some of the posts addressed to you - and they seem to be pretty uncharitable.

the sad thing is that these people, if i understand their posts, aren't exactly that Catholic themselves.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), March 15, 2005.


Yeah i agree with Ian - if anyone's picking on your faith, theyre simply not being true to their own. :) Dont let them get to you. :) "Let go and let God" :P

-- temple (jahsmine@netzero.com), March 15, 2005.

Zarove,

Am I correct in assuming you believe animals, bacteria, even ROCKS have immortal souls?

Zarvoe,

2: Frank, I havent called for anyone to be banned form this forum. so thats just flat out not true

I agree, and retract the above, in thinking about this, I think I'm confusing you with someone else. Sorry.

4: The KJV Bible cannot be called "Apocrypha" because that woudl mean mathew, mark, luke, deutoronomy, leviticus, ect, are all Apocryp;al.

You missed the point. The point is if you call *any part* of the Bible apocryphal, it doesn't matter what part you are calling apocrypha. If you think any of it is uninspired, you might as well call ALL of it uninspired. This is offensive to a believer, and has nothing to do with Catholics, as I'm sure you'd find out if you went out claiming some book in the KJV was apocrypha on any Protestant forum. By going on a Catholic forum and calling part of the Bible apocrypha, you are being insensitive in the very least, and if doing so on purpose, are being offensive.

5: You ar eonly defendign my attackers frank because you are as hard core and opposed to peopel who disagree with you as they. You want me silenced i the past threads, and they want me silenced here.

Well thank you Zarove. If you are saying you think I take my faith seriously, I appreciate it! If you are thanking me for attempting to stop the erosion of the Christian faith by attempting to stamp out heresy, I appreciate that too. I don't know about wanting you *silenced*, I just can't take seriously everything you come up with.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), March 16, 2005.


Readers,

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