Well, Joel warmed up the weather prety well. I tend to agree with the conclusions but not themeans he uses to get there. One of our founding fathers stated somethin to the effect: 'He who gives up a little freedom for a little security, will lose both abd deserve neither'. I this country we have been in a mad rush for the past gew decades to give up freedoms for the purpose of "security". Many here want the process reversed. To do so requires not just participating here in such discussions but taking it into the political arena and making your desires know there. I know most of you consider politics far more dirty than spreading manure but, that is the only place you can expect to bring about change.(posted 8952 days ago)All men and women are human, that means we err. Heck, I don't even agree with myself sometines. Look at the time in detail and perhaps the actions are not the same.